It’s interesting that Trek does not infantilize Te the way it does Ti as so clearly exampled (ugh, bad verb) in your commentary about Data. The handwringing over T characters as they are birthed into the more valuable F world is a seemingly endless theme, starting of course with Spock. However I think that Te is given a grudging respect as a necessary evil. 7 of 9 may be socially retarded in the extreme but her calculations are always correct and a certain deference towards this is always at play. Many a hard ass Praetor, while not getting their way, is still seen as having a coherent and respectable position. There are a few DS9 eps about genetically enhanced individuals who can’t function in society. They are intelligent to the point of insanity and portray Ti gone wild. Despite incredible mental capacity they are portrayed as children, infantilized by their Ti.

haha.. yes I think there may be a connection there. Infantalized Ti is presented as likable, ie the absent minded professor who can’t be counted on to match his socks or remember appointments but is seen as a genial fellow. Te is never presented as likable. In fact, no one likes it as far as I can tell <—j/k I think Star Wars is a great example of Noble Ti, something wholly lacking in Trek. I’m trying to think of other fictional portrayals of Ti as noble and inspiring.

Yes I was thinking the same about past military heroes being Te and this being out of fashion. Of course Australia has always favoured the laconic or the larrikan, perferrably dying unnecessarily.

“It is very fitting that one of the most celebrated Diggers in Australian folklore was no Rambo who shot everything than moved. To the contrary, he was a humanist by the name of John Simpson who disregarded orders, and his own safety, in his single-minded determination to save others.”

http://www.convictcreations.com/history/simpson.htm

But I’ve always maintained it’s an IP country at heart.

So give me some more fictional examples of Noble Ti. Qui Gon is a great one but I know there are more out there.

I guess Dirty Harry counts for those cut from more dashing SP cloth than I.. but I’m defining “noble” as meaning “a thinker”. Thinker being the foundation of Doing, whatever great deeds the character does. It’s the thinking that is mocked in Trek and other fictions because it’s presented as not balanced with Feeling or Doing. With Qui Gon it’s a complete package. Though I never agreed with Qui Gon’s choices re Anakin it’s a position that one can respect and that easily makes sense.. he doesn’t go off half cocked on a whim. His actions are the logical follow on of his carefully thought out principles.

No I have not seen Tron though I do have the book..

Here’s one for you: Mulder from X-files. And his Ti is always presented as nobler than Scully’s Te.

When I read Lenore I had not yet seen the X-files so I probably bleeped past that part.
Here’s an even more challenging scavenger hunt: Noble Ti in a female character.